MDMA SYNTHESIS FROM MDP2P (PMK) via AL/HG + NITROMETHANE + CRYSTALLIZATION [PICTURES INCLUDED]

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My yields were decent and purity excellent. I did the whole reaction, with crystallization, in the span of an evening. The reduction ran hot but was completely under control, easily stirred, fast, and simple to work up.

MATERIALS:

  1. MDP-2-P - 25g​
  2. ALUMINIUM - 27.5g​
  3. (Mercury(II) chloride) - 400mg​
  4. NITROMETHANE - 20g​
  5. TOLUENE - 1L​
  6. A setup to generate DRY hcl gas​
  7. NaOH - 262g​
  8. Sodium bicarbonate - Enough to Saturate a solution​
  9. MgSO4 - 35g​
  10. Sodium chloride - Enough to Saturate a solution​
  11. MeOH - 1L​
  12. Distilled water - 1L minimum​
- Yield: 19,6 g from 25 g of MDP-2-P

I set up a two-liter flat-bottom three-neck flask, and plugged one of the necks. I arranged to have an ordinary condenser in the center hole. The apparatus was placed on my stirrer/hotplate.

Anyways the steps are as follows;

  1. I started cutting Reynolds Heavy Duty aluminum foil into about 1" squares, to make a total of 27.5g. [FIGURE 1]
  2. Now put 5g batches into a small Braun coffee grinder and ground the foil for 8-10 seconds. [FIGURE 2]
  3. The foil will not get really "grounded" This worked amazingly well. It may sound weird to put your foil in a coffee grinder, but this is without question a breakthrough in the preparation of aluminum for the Al/Hg.
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Figure 1: 5g of foil in 1" squaresFigure 2: 5g of foil, after 8-10 seconds of grinding in a Braun coffee grinder
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Figure 3: Closeup of foil ballsFigure 4: 27.5g foil in a 2000 mL flat-bottom flask

3.1. The foil balls were dumped in the flask. [FIGURE 4]

4. Next, 400mg of HgCl2 (Mercury(II) chloride) was dissolved in 750 mL of lab grade MeOH.

5. While this was being done, 25g of MDP-2-P and 20g of nitromethane were mixed in a dropping funnel with 25 mL of MeOH.

5.1 - 20 g nitromethane (CH3NO2);

Density nitromethane -->1.127 g/ml
molecular weight --> 61.04 g/mol

17.75 ml - [ 17.8 ml ]

5.2 - 25g MDP-2-P

Density MDP-2-P --> 1.210 g/ml
molecular weight --> 178.185 g/mol

20.66 ml - [ 20.7 ml ]

The MDP-2-P was three months old and had been stored in the freezer. It had been distilled originally + still smelled good

6. The dropping funnel was put on a side neck on the flask.

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Figure 5: Apparatus

7. When the MeOH was ready (all HgCl2 dissolved), it was also dumped in the flask and the condenser was put in place.

7.1 It was stirred for 5-10 seconds every minute or so.

7.2 In less than 10 minutes, faint bubbling was visible, the solution was gray, and the aluminum was distinctly less shiny. Some pieces had started to float.

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Figure 6: Amalgamation complete

8. Ice water was started flowing through the condenser. About 4 pounds of ice in 2.5 gallons of water was used, in a 5 gallon paint bucket.

9. The valve on the dropping funnel was opened so that the mix started dripping at aroundone drop per second.

10. About every minute, I turned on the stirrer for about 5 seconds.

11. After just a few minutes, the flask started to heat up, and I started stirring continuously. At this point the mix had a very distinct steel blue-gray color.

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Figure 7: Reaction starting ~7 minutesFigure 8: Approaching reflux temp ~8 minutes

12. Eventually the reaction heated itself up to an impressive reflux, and MeOH was flowing nearly continuously from the condenser.

13. I had to adjust the drip speed from time to time (one per second was a little too slow) and I finished the addition after 42 minutes.
14. During the peak of the reaction, I watched what was going on very closely, but I really didn't need to do anything at all except make sure that the addition was going at a rate that would make the whole thing take 40-45 minutes. Everything else took care of itself.

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Figure 9: Reaction going full blast, ~15 minutes

15. By the time I had a few milliliters of MDP-2-P mix left to go, the reaction was already starting to slow down, though there were still some small aluminum flakes visible.

16. The mix was starting to get very viscous, so I added another 50-75 mL of MeOH down the condenser which greatly improved things. I then left for about an hour to let the reaction finish itself.

17. When I got back things had cooled considerably and the mix was mostly an amorphous gray with just the tiniest flecks of white mixed in.

18. I mixed 700 mL of water and 262g of NaOH in a beaker.

19. While this was cooling, I dumped the contents of the reaction flask into a 4000 mL beaker. A bit more (50 mL) of MeOH in the reaction flask easily loosened the remaining sludge, and this was dumped into the beaker too.

20. Then the NaOH solution was poured into the 4000 mL beaker with the sludge. [figure 11]

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Figure 10: Sludge in the beakerFigure 11: Sludge after NaOH addition and a little stirring

21. A 3" stirbar was put in the beaker and it was thoroughly stirred. The formerly gray sludge turned darker, and the NaOH started reacting with the remaining aluminum, making a foamy, smelly mess in the beaker. It warmed up slightly but not appreciably.

22. This was left to stir slowly for about an hour, at which time almost all the bubbling was done and the foaming had decreased.

23. I do not own a gigantic sep funnel, so I decided to extract the mix directly in the beaker. This actually works really well and may be easier than dealing with a sep funnel.

24. 500 mL of toluene was dumped in the beaker, and the stirrer was turned on very high for several minutes.

25. This mixed the two phases well. Over the next 15 minutes or so, the toluene separated out to the top.

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Figure 12: Bubbling as NaOH reacts with remaining aluminumFigure 13: Toluene after mixing, mostly done separating.
26. I was worried, because the toluene had virtually no color to it. I would expect there to be some remaining MDP-2-P with its slight color, or for some reaction impurities to give a color too. But this was slightly milky white. Toluene is kina hard for me to get, so next time I plan to try xylene instead. I suspect this will work fine.

27. Most of the toluene was poured off the top.

28. About 100 mL was left, because it became difficult to get the toluene off without some of the water/sludge layer also pouring out. Another 250 mL of toluene was dumped in the beaker and thoroughly mixed. This next extraction was also poured off, this time with a bit of the sludge layer, and put in the sep funnel. There was probably no more than about 15 mL of toluene left floating on the sludge in the beaker when I was done. Now it was easy to drain off the sludge layer in the sep funnel, leaving only toluene. The first toluene extraction was then added to the sep funnel.

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Figure 14: About to drain off the very last bit of sludge-waterFigure 15: Washing. Both the toluene and wash are very clean, and the interface between layers is barely visible 3/4 of the way down the picture.

29. The toluene was washed twice with saturated sodium bicarbonate, once with saturated NaCl, and once with water. All of the washes were quite clean, and the toluene was looking even cleaner than before.

30. The toluene was drained into a washed, acetone-rinsed, thoroughly dried beaker with about 35g anhydrous MgSO4. This was left for about 25 minutes and stirred with a spatula two or three times. It was then filtered into a new beaker (also super dry), and the MgSO4 in the filter washed with a little new toluene.

31. A standard NaCl/H2SO4 generator for HCl gas was set up, with a fractionating column packed with CaCl2 (Damp-Rid from Home Depot) as a drying tube. A gas dispersion tube with a porous glass disc was attached to the drying tube, and the H2SO4 was started dripping.

32. Gas began to come out of the dispersion tube, which I immersed in the toluene filtrate. Absolutely nothing had happened after several minutes and I was convinced I had totally fucked up. Then a wisp here and there of white material started to appear, and within 30 seconds there were giant clouds of puffy MDMA HCl cascading out of solution. I nearly shit my pants.

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Figure 16: Crystals forming as the HCl exits the gas dispersion tube.Figure 17: Getting near the end of this gassing run. The crystals are settling, and have formed a thick layer at the bottom of the beaker.

33. I would recommend against using a gas dispersion tube, since it seems to clog up with crystals and generate serious backpressure in the HCl generator (But do as you please).

34. At one point, a glass stopper popped right off the apparatus, there was so much pressure. Just use a glass tube to get your HCl into the toluene.

35. The solution was so cloudy that I couldn't tell if any more crystals were precipitating, so I decided to stop. The beaker was covered and put in the freezer for half an hour. When cold, it was filtered with vacuum in a Buchner [FIGURE 18] , then dried on a mirror under a light bulb (for heat) and weighed. There was a total of 8.26 g! [FIGURE 19]

36. Then I set up to gas the toluene again. And lo and behold there was another massive precipitation of crystals.

36.1. The toluene was chilled and filtered and the filtrate dried, yielding another 4.72 g!

37. Set up to gas again... it just keeps on coming. I give the crystals some time to settle, and now there really doesn't seem to be any more coming out of solution. Chill, filter and dry.

37.1 This time there was 6.61 g more!

38. Even though the crystals had a slight (and very pleasing) root beer odor, I decided against recrystallizing because the crystals were blindingly bright white and obviously of good purity.

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Figure 18: A Buchner funnel tightly packed with crystalsFigure 19: 8.26 grams of MDMA HCl, chopped up and drying on a mirror

39. Total yield: 19.6 grams of MDMA HCl - from 25 grams of MD-P2P!!
 

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Thank you for detailed report!
 

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This is very good and it's all perfect and very beautiful but this is a very old Google publication, I don't know if you are the original author or simply this is a cut and paste from the search engine, please we are here to investigate and contribute new advances, achievements, failures and fixes, if you are the original author of the synthesis I congratulate you. a greeting.
 

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Thank you brother for saying it first. I wasn't going to be as "pleasant" with my wording. Makes you wonder who would do such a thing............I vote removal / ban
 
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Here, I wont be pleasant either.

1- If you knew this, why didn't you create a post and shared info like others have done instead of keeping to yourself? Isn't this website supposed to be meant for that? For sharing info?

2- I did replicate it successfully but I am not willing to share any type of pics done through any device that I might or might not own, as pics have geo localization, but you should already know that, right? RIGHT?!

3- And Indeed I am not the author but since many like you, like to leech around and not contribute I went ahead and shared INFO I had on hand. I did read+write from the pdf --> Word then to here.

..................... I vote for a ban for you for not contributing info and lurking around.

But if that makes you happy, please go ahead, ban me.

P.S: This does not go towards acidosis, since you were more respectful, even though I understand your "concerns"

Authors MethylMAN & refined by brightstar

~ God Bless each one of you, peace.
 

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friend, he is only speaking to you with respect, here there are already many syntheses al/hg from pmk published in the forum, do not get angry, just that personal effort is highly valued here, the plots that arise from a synthesis and how to put them as a solution, On the other hand, any contribution will be greatly appreciated, but it is not necessary to collaborate with previous projects published in Google since the effort is minimal and in the end almost everyone here already knows those old publications that in the past made their great contribution to the world but Today they are already obsolete. Nobody is on the lookout for anyone, simply if it is a cut and paste, it will not really be an effort valued by anyone. Likewise, I am sorry if you have been offended, the contribution to the forum is important, let's all try to investigate and progress. Greetings and blessings!
 

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I just want to throw in my two cents and tell that you can delete them by couple clicks. There are a lot of such online free services.
 

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18. I mixed 700 mL of water and 262 g of NaOH in a beaker. it has to be distilled water or it can be domestic water

could you change the solvent "toluene for xylene? ?
 

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anyone here actually worked with nitromethane before
 

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How would one proceed with this reaction if one has 40% aqueous methylamine?
Brightstar's method uses methylamine hcl and reaction starts with dripping naoh to liberate methylamine and thus react the MDP2P with the amalgam.

Can one theoretically add MDP2P dropwise into a mixture of methylamine and amalgam or should it be methylamine being added dropwise into a mixture of MDP2P and amalgam (but wouldn't this result in MDA?)
 

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just dump all together and replace with nitromethane then you don't need to be cooling.

aqueous methylamine also works, add methanol boiling/stirring of the reaction itself.
 

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is the reaction scalable?
 

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create a pressure vessle, agitator and let extra pressure release at 4-5 bar.
4 bar, if using methylamine on methanol, increases operating temprature to 100 celcius.
 
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