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HajHajime

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Tere kõigile. Ma tõesti vajan abi, et sellest aru saada. Mul on vaja tagasi võtta nagu 10k$ kuus minu XMR või BTC rahakotist. Mis on kõige lihtsam viis seda teha? Ma arvan umbes osta PayPall konto või smth kuid mb ma olen vale. Ofc see peab olema väga anonüümselt ja ilma igasuguse jälgimise mulle
 

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O ei tea, kuid ma tean, et see ei ole PayPal need poisid on persse, kui te olete äri. Kui ma kasutasin äri, mis kasutas PayPal võtta krediitkaardid ja võtta raha nimel minu äri, nad lukustada minu konto umbes iga nädal ja ahistama mind, mida täpselt inimesed ostsid minult ja kui oli vaidlus nad lihtsalt võttis minu raha ja andis selle tagasi ilma isegi mainimata või andes mulle võimaluse arbitraaž.
 

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Jah, ma ei ole isegi müüja, ma lihtsalt kasutan seda paarf sõbrad ja ühel hommikul pärast ühte tehingut nad täielikult lukustasid, ei saanud minu tasakaalu puudutada ja tõenäoliselt ei saa kunagi. Ma pean neile 24 tundi nonstop põrgu andma ja lõpuks, kui ma tõstatasin Better Business Bureau, nad murdusid ja lasid mind sisse. Mitte kunagi ei puuduta neid enam
 

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kui me räägime PayPalist.......... kui nad haistavad isegi vähimatki lõhna, et midagi on valesti, lukustavad nad (PayPal) teie konto 3 päevaks igasugustelt krüptotehingutelt. Kui 2. päeval ja 12 tunni pärast proovite uuesti tehinguid teha, siis see nullib kella ja lukustab uuesti 3 päevaks. Ma kasutan PayPali kogu oma "tunne oma klienti" üle parda, mitte anonüümset kraami. Nagu ei viitsi isegi vpn-ga vaeva näha. Miks PayPal? Harjumuse jõud, pluss nad teevad asjad tõesti lihtsaks. Tahad kuradi väljakutse, seadistada Monero rahakoti ametlikul Monero veebilehel. Ma tundsin end pärast selle seadistamist nagu James Fucking Bond. Ma armastan narkootikume ja keemiat. Ma absoluutselt vihkan VPN-i, tor'i, krüptograafia, PGP-võtmete blah blah blah blah.............mida, aga GOT TO DO IT
 

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Kas olete juba kohalikku monero vaadanud?
 

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Jah. Aga kas see on piisavalt ohutu?
 
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Ma ei ole kaugeltki ekspert, nii et võtke seda suure soolateraga, kuid ma arvan, et XMR-i tõmbe on see turvalisus (ja mustuse odav tehingutasu, ma tõsiselt maksin täna 2 penni, et saata mõned). Paljud müüjad on hakanud seda pakkuma ja eelistavad seda Bitcoinile. Vabandust, ma ei saa teile täpsemalt öelda, miks see on parem.
 

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Kahjuks localmonero on oma uksed kinni pannud ja suletud, sest ma postitasin selle.

Alternatiiviks on teil vahetada oma valitud, kuid mündi madala tehingutasu (litecoin on hea) siis saata see kook rahakoti ja teha oma vahetust seal. Selle päris lihtne rahakott & vahetusplatvormi
 

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Update to this older thread if anyone else finds it... localmonero has been resurrected and brought back as openmonero.co so check them out. As for trustworthy, the seller must basically deposit an amount greater than they will be trading in to the site. When a transaction begins the site automatically locks an amount of their deposit equal to the amount being traded. If the seller decides to run off with your money then the site will simply release the locked up funds to you preventing a problem with getting scammed. Also, there are some constant regulars. When you start looking to initiate a transaction with someone who already has 22,138 successfully completed transactions andd a 100% track record..... well there are no guarantees in life, but I know I feel comfortable dealing with them. Besides, the spread that they are profitting off of makes it far more beneficial to remain a trustworthy seller. A single transaction may cost you $7-12 over market rate but you get a no kyc transaction and the seller is busy racking up those transaction fees all day long on both ends of the field. He will sell you monero for a profit with whatever your preferred payment method is, and he will also buy monero or btc on the other end each time raking in the profits.... Damn, sounds like I should just invest $5K into crypto holdings and trade for no kyc profit... While I'm sure the powers that be are already devising ways to make it a crime, I'm pretty sure there are no current laws that require me as a personal transaction to collect or verify identification, and no laws as of yet preventing me from conducting multiple small transactions in which I begin to acquire a significant profit regularily....which I would unfortunately find too difficult to maintain accurate ongoing records of due to the constantly fluxuating value of several different currencies, transaction fees, forgetfulness, and general apathy towards governmental efforts to try and regulate my personal affiars....

damn this ADHD, always end up off the rails rambling about something without a clue how I managed to get there most of the time.... with that being said...

there is also some promising services offered by the changeNOW and the half dozen related apps like NOW Wallet, NOW tracker, etc. and the ability to perform certain amounts of no kyc trades on their network for a minor transaction fee. I have used ChangeNOW and Changelly a number of times to convert BTC to Monero without having to provide my entire life history in order to conduct my business with them. Hell, you don't even need to make an account, simply a matter of providing your receiving address and amount and type of crypto to exchange followed by initiating a transfer to the address they provide you after accepting the terms.

OK, that's my limit for the day... I need to try and get some other things accomplished.
 

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Fairly close, if a seller decides to run off with your money, he quickly realizes that's stupid, because he doesn't have your money, and he can't steal it touch it look at it or do anything, because they don't get it until you push "finalize". DON'T GO TO TELEGRAM OR SESSION TO DO A DEAL they will try that because they want to steal your money. Paying 5% insurance to never get ripped off again is worth every penny
 
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