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[ZRG]

1、Can Nabh4 be replaced by (CH3COO)3BHNa?（C6H10BNaO6）

2、In the route of p2np and Nabh4, can I add formaldehyde or methylamine to directly methylate the product?

3、After the amphetamine is split, the D-amphetamine oil needs to be dissolved in acetone and toluene with HCI bubbling Can we get big crystals?

I don't know English, everything is described by google translation, I hope I can find the answer I want in the forum

 

[ZRG]

This forum does not have amphetamine methylation videos, nor product crystallization videos, I need these because verbal communication is not as effective as videos

 

[ZRG]

Can D-amphetamine be crystallized by HCI? I mean crystallized into smokeable crystals.

 

[ZRG]

After methamphetamine is bubbling and crystallized with HCI, it needs to be melted and recrystallized in absolute ethanol to obtain transparent ICE？

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

2. No, you need special conditions, there is thread on this.

3.Amphetamine hydrochloride is hygroscopic, you will get crystals that will turn into a puddle overnight.

Can D-amphetamine be crystallized by HCI? I mean crystallized into smokeable crystals.

yes, if you smoke it on the spot it is possible.

After methamphetamine is bubbling and crystallized with HCI, it needs to be melted and recrystallized in absolute ethanol to obtain transparent ICE？

Thread by patton describes everything, ice manufacture and crystalization

 

[ZRG]

Thank you for the reply

 

[ZRG]

Generally speaking, the block ice sold on the street is D-methamphetamine, which can be smoked, and the methyl-free D-amphetamine is not a large crystal but a powder. This is usually used for nasal injection or swallowing, right?

 

[G.Patton]

It would be wet sticky powder of amph*HCl.

 

[ZRG]

Patton, do you know the answer to my first question? I need this answer because it is not available in my country Nabh4，I need something to replace this

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

You cannot substitute directly with a simillar sounding compund.Cianoborohydride is toxic, makes toxic side products and cannot directly reduce nitro to amine, you would have to make the imine first THEN reduce that.

 

[ZRG]

(CH3COO)3BHNa, is sodium triacetoethoxyborohydride, and sodium cyanoborohydride (molecular formula: NaBH3(CN), these are two different sodium hydroxide, I searched for this thing on Google, do not know this Can something replace NaBh4

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

oh sorry, i wasn't paying attention, but I think STAB is the same story, mild reducer, it might not work, it reduces imine to amine but unsure about nitro to amine

 

[ZRG]

So if I get amphetamine, can I use methylamine to methylate the amphetamine through the AI/Hg method?

 

[G.Patton]

You cant try. Take into account that the result can upset you. I'm not sure that you'll get same yield. Moreover, you have to use bigger amount of such reagent.

 

[ZRG]

Thanks

 

[HerrHaber]

Generation of methylamine in situ from nitromethane with Al/Hg amalgam in presence of the P2P (BMK) might work... I think this is a known route for MDMA manufacture.