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[HajHajime]

Zdravím všetkých. Skutočne potrebujem pomoc, aby som to pochopil. Potrebujem vybrať ako 10k $ mesačne z mojej peňaženky XMR alebo BTC. Aký je najjednoduchší spôsob, ako to urobiť? Myslím o tom, že si kúpim účet PayPall alebo smth, ale mb sa mýlim. Ofc to musí byť veľmi anonymne a bez akéhokoľvek sledovania ku mne

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

O neviem, ale viem, že to nie je PayPal títo ľudia sú kreténi, ak ste podnik. Keď som kedysi viedol podnik, ktorý používal PayPal na prijímanie kreditných kariet a na prijímanie peňazí v mene môjho podniku, asi každý týždeň mi zablokovali účet a obťažovali ma, čo presne odo mňa ľudia kupujú, a ak došlo k sporu, jednoducho mi zobrali peniaze a vrátili mi ich bez toho, aby sa o tom zmienili alebo mi dali šancu na arbitráž.

 

[idlewild]

Áno, nie som ani predajca, používam ho len pre párf priateľov a jedného rána po jednej transakcii sa úplne zablokoval, nemohol som sa dotknúť svojho zostatku a pravdepodobne nikdy nebudem. Musel som im robiť peklo nonstop 24 hodín a nakoniec, keď som upozornil na Better Business Bureau, praskli a pustili ma. Už nikdy sa ich nedotknem

 

[2-79-790125]

ak hovoríme o systéme PayPal.......... ak zacítia čo i len najmenší závan niečoho nekalého, zablokujú vám (PayPal) účet pred akýmikoľvek krypto transakciami na 3 dni. Ak sa na druhý deň a 12 hodín pokúsite o ďalšiu transakciu, vynulujú sa tým hodiny a účet sa opäť zablokuje na 3 dni. PayPal používam na všetky svoje "know your customer" nadštandardné, nie anonymné veci. Rovnako ako sa ani neobťažujte s vpn. Prečo PayPal? Sila zvyku, navyše robia veci naozaj jednoducho. Ak chcete skurvenú výzvu, nastavte si peňaženku Monero z oficiálnej stránky Monero. Po nastavení som sa cítil ako James Fucking Bond. Milujem drogy a chémiu. Absolútne neznášam, keď sa musím zaoberať VPN, tor, kryptografiou, PGP kľúčmi bla bla bla bla.............ale musím to urobiť.

 

[miner21]

Už ste sa pozreli na miestne meny?

 

[HajHajime]

Áno. Ale je to dostatočne bezpečné?

 

[idlewild]

Nie som ani zďaleka odborník, takže to berte s veľkou rezervou, ale myslím si, že príťažlivosť XMR spočíva v jeho bezpečnosti (a špinavých lacných transakčných poplatkoch, dnes som vážne zaplatil 2 haliere, aby som nejaké poslal). Veľa predajcov ho začalo ponúkať a uprednostňujú ho pred Bitcoinom. Je mi ľúto, že vám nemôžem poskytnúť konkrétne informácie o tom, prečo je to lepšie.

 

[miner21]

Nanešťastie localmonero zavrelo svoje dvere a od môjho zverejnenia sa zatvorilo.

Alternatívou je vám burza podľa vášho výberu, ale minca s nízkymi transakčnými poplatkami (litecoin je dobrý), potom ju pošlite do koláčovej peňaženky a urobte výmenu tam. Jeho celkom jednoduchá peňaženka a výmenná platforma

 

[darkpsychotherapy]

Update to this older thread if anyone else finds it... localmonero has been resurrected and brought back as openmonero.co so check them out. As for trustworthy, the seller must basically deposit an amount greater than they will be trading in to the site. When a transaction begins the site automatically locks an amount of their deposit equal to the amount being traded. If the seller decides to run off with your money then the site will simply release the locked up funds to you preventing a problem with getting scammed. Also, there are some constant regulars. When you start looking to initiate a transaction with someone who already has 22,138 successfully completed transactions andd a 100% track record..... well there are no guarantees in life, but I know I feel comfortable dealing with them. Besides, the spread that they are profitting off of makes it far more beneficial to remain a trustworthy seller. A single transaction may cost you $7-12 over market rate but you get a no kyc transaction and the seller is busy racking up those transaction fees all day long on both ends of the field. He will sell you monero for a profit with whatever your preferred payment method is, and he will also buy monero or btc on the other end each time raking in the profits.... Damn, sounds like I should just invest $5K into crypto holdings and trade for no kyc profit... While I'm sure the powers that be are already devising ways to make it a crime, I'm pretty sure there are no current laws that require me as a personal transaction to collect or verify identification, and no laws as of yet preventing me from conducting multiple small transactions in which I begin to acquire a significant profit regularily....which I would unfortunately find too difficult to maintain accurate ongoing records of due to the constantly fluxuating value of several different currencies, transaction fees, forgetfulness, and general apathy towards governmental efforts to try and regulate my personal affiars....

damn this ADHD, always end up off the rails rambling about something without a clue how I managed to get there most of the time.... with that being said...

there is also some promising services offered by the changeNOW and the half dozen related apps like NOW Wallet, NOW tracker, etc. and the ability to perform certain amounts of no kyc trades on their network for a minor transaction fee. I have used ChangeNOW and Changelly a number of times to convert BTC to Monero without having to provide my entire life history in order to conduct my business with them. Hell, you don't even need to make an account, simply a matter of providing your receiving address and amount and type of crypto to exchange followed by initiating a transfer to the address they provide you after accepting the terms.

OK, that's my limit for the day... I need to try and get some other things accomplished.

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Fairly close, if a seller decides to run off with your money, he quickly realizes that's stupid, because he doesn't have your money, and he can't steal it touch it look at it or do anything, because they don't get it until you push "finalize". DON'T GO TO TELEGRAM OR SESSION TO DO A DEAL they will try that because they want to steal your money. Paying 5% insurance to never get ripped off again is worth every penny