Less potent?

[Macondor]

Hi, i read a lot of people claiming that the reactions with NaBH4 whas lees potent meth, this happen to MDMA synth? I read that maybe yes...
Or the lest potent product start from the use of Glycidates?
if it is...Why this is happen ?

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

All routes have an impurity profile, but theoretically speaking if isolated well enough there should be no difference in the end, a secondary amine is a secondary amine.

 

[btcboss2022]

Theoretically and empirically if you have the exact molecule isolated there is no difference, all these "problems" only are related with isomers separation but the molecule is the molecule no matter from where it comes that's a demonstrable fact.

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

yes,thank you, well said

 

[bblanco]

you mean the high is much shorter as you might expect? i heard such comments flowing also

 

[btcboss2022]

I think I wont take part of that kind of discussions is an obvious thing and a waste of time always happens these things everywhere with any people with any product.
Is like when you produce a batch someone take it say its not as strong as always you give them the same batch the next day and they wow this one is amazing!
Effects and strengh are related with enantiomers and impurities but with your body situation also, anyway is an impossible discussion that always existed and always will exists.

 

[bblanco]

i dont take any stand point or whatsoever.. i push coke more then 20 years.. dont tell me about entities and their experiences and opinions on the same batch for weeks...
its just that more then one mentioned it felt like it takes much less time experiencing the high... i cant take conclusions only mentioning..also not purchased from me...

 

[btcboss2022]

I wasnt replying your post directly I was talking about the general discussion sorry the misunderstanding

 

[bblanco]

No worries sir 🫡 all good

 

[Macondor]

tell me that the glycidates routes do a "desbalance" in the ratio of isomers and make a more "weak" molecule. i have a MDMA that i need to take 200 mg and i need more an other with 100 mg i float

 

[btcboss2022]

I do MDMA from glycidate and its the stronger one that I never had. I guess its more about route or reagents than a glycidates issue.

 

[AKWA]

From your experience, what routes l and reagents give off a product with such desired effects? Also do you conduct isomer separations of your final product

 

[btcboss2022]

I only make enantiomer resolution in Meth, MDMA in my opinion is better racemic but that depends on each person personal preferences.

 

[WillD]

There are reports that the use of natural piperonal gives the best effect than synthetic. But there is no theoretical explanation. This is an additional field for research. Maybe the worse quality of the synthetic (dioxole group degradation to methoxy), maybe something else

 

[Macondor]

Yes, non synthetic? from oxidation of piperine with ozone have an excelent Piperonal for sure