Pods, Straw or Seeds, where's the pot of gold?

[8bit]

Hi everyone! I just want to say how awesome I find this place. I'm not cool enough to be a chemist (unless cooking counts as that's how I make my bread) but I have lurked in drug chemistry forums and on reddits hoping to soak up a little of the ability some of you have to perform magic you call science . I don't have the patience to sit down and learn the stuff I need in order to synthesize anything remotely beyond beginners level but still I lurk, read, attempt to understand and marvel. I'm really happy this site exists and to have found it because just with the amount of ppl like me I have known there had to be more places like this one online.

My question: I gathered a paper grocery bag full of poppy pods, straw and the seeds within the pods last spring. They were not allowed to dry before I harvested but instead I dried them out afterwards and I'm planning on making tea since everything that I've read about flake opium sounds disappointing. I did come across some stuff on myctopia the mushroom enthusiast community about a possible method of making refined brown powder thought to be morphine sulphate and if anyone's interested I'll go find & post their report. Anyways, when I harvested my pods many had seeds and so my sack of pods & straw also is full of seeds. I'll be saving some to plant again but it made me curious if the pods/straw are better for obtaining alkaloids or the seeds. I am almost certain that I read that the only reason poppy seed tea is pharmacologically active is that plant matter from the pods covers the outside of the seeds and is the thing actually doing the magic - seeds themselves are inactive. I would like to put anything useful to good so I'll likely use everything but are the pods and straw basically the whole enchilada? Thanks!

 

[En3ma]

The unwashed seeds and residue from the inside of the pod will be the most potent of your alkaloids, followed by the pos. but do not discount the stems!

I prefer to crack the pods separately, then toss the straw and pods into a food processor. At the time I would be throwing about 15-20 (depending on size) into a pot of hot water and 10% lemon juice. Toss your un blender seeds (I have found they are downright vile if you blend them) in last.

Try to keep your tea just on the cusp of boiling for 15-20 mins, then turn the burner off and let cool.

The 15-20 pods would make tea for the whole family, be careful especially if you are naive, as this is easily 4 moderate doses.

Find a chaser that works for you. I found diet cola worked for me. I've never heard anyone call the flavor pleasant.

 

[1thejew1]

Once the poppie has a nice pod just cut it down stem and pod and throw it in the blender with hot water and a small amount of acid acetic or citric I find best

 

[Fenster]

I blend everything, then prepare the "tea" by cooking it in slightly acidic water, then I filter the solids through a piece of fabric so I can squeeze all the goods. I then evaporate all the water and I'm left with a brown crystalline flake. I was told 3 grams is a dose lol! I had a gram and a half and I was pinned hard, and itchy. Serious the potency can vary big time. I'm an ex heroin user and my poppies put me on my ass every year. I was smoking the flake with unpredictable results, so last year I just put them in caps at half gram a cap because my god drinking the poppy tea is nightmare juice.

 

[nkd23]

I blend the Poppys with out the seeds.
U let them Over night in cold water
Then I put some vinegar in the pot and boil for 1-2 hours

Then I squisch all pods in the pot and reduce the liquid until I get a opium like substance
you can repeat it for a few times (3-4) and get more opium

 

[one5one]

I have a wonderful book that explains what you are trying to do in great detail, and I recommend this book to anyone who wants to learn about anything to do with the opium poppy. The Book is called "Opium for the Masses" by Jim Hogshire. you can find it on Amazon. Opium for the masses is a must read in my opinion. It is very informative and an easy read. Good Luck!!!

 

[41Dxflatline]

Very simple morphine extraction with very cheap OTC chemicals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_morphenate
Seeds should be thrown away or saved for planting, Stems have small amounts of alkaloids but in different proportions to the pods and less desirable,

 

[oldkaw]

Hogshires book put it on the map, but "kompot" (sp) is where it started. Pharmaceutical companies pretty much use the same process. If pods are mature and dry, seeds are inert. Alkaloids are in the pods. Strength can vary, and be suspect of pods you don't know the back history. High thebaine (paramorphine) pods are out there ever since SKF nuked some seeds to see what they might find, and the effect on genetics was low morphine, high thebaine poppies. New Zealand grows them for big pharma to make oxycodone, hydromorphone, narcan. etc. but without a lab they are pretty useless. The DEA and its comrades would love to dilute poppies with it to make them less attractive, just saying. If you have good pods, cut the knot off the base and pour the seeds in a ziplock. Break up pods and put in coffee grinder. 2 or 3 grinders full is usually plenty. Dump in cup, pour ~ cup of hot water on the ground pod, stir and let sit. You'll get 95% the first pull. Strain through mesh cup. squeeze as much water as you can from it and enjoy. On an industrial scale you can add lime to liquid and most of the alkaloids crash out. Pour off the liquid calcium morphinate and add ammonium chloride. Crude morphine freebase will settle out, but its more work than it sounds