Min nuværende vakuumkilde og lidt tanker om emnet

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  1. Når det drejer sig om vakuumkilder til laboratoriet



    Når det drejer sig om vakuumkilder til hjemmelaboratoriet, er det desværre svært at finde billige løsninger. Hvis du vil have en rigtig god laboratorievakuumpumpe, skal du regne med at punge ud med 500 dollars for et brugt eksemplar, der er minimum godt. De fleste af os hjemmeentusiaster har ikke den slags penge. Vi klarer os med genbrug;
    1. Lamelvakuumpumper, som oftest bruges til at tørre vand ud af airconditionledninger og til at finde lækager. Hovedproblemet med denne type pumpe er, at al den luft og gas, du suger ud af en beholder, bevæger sig gennem pumpeolien og nedbryder tætningerne og ødelægger olien ret hurtigt. Visse kemikalier nedbrød olien i løbet af en kørsel på mindre end 4 timer. Jeg har ødelagt et par af de billige.
    2. Der findes membranpumper, som ligner lamelpumperne i størrelse og strømforbrug. De bruger ikke olie, så de har ikke det problem, men de trækker ikke et særlig stærkt vakuum. Ikke nok til at være nyttige
    3. Kinesiske firmaer som Vevor laver små membranpumper til kemi. Indeni er de dybest set en akvariepumpe og har meget ringe evne til at rense volumen, men de kan lige akkurat mønstre et brugbart vakuum på en statisk belastning, og de starter ved ca. 175 $.
    Her er, hvad jeg bruger i øjeblikket, en 2-trins membranpumpe, der er koblet i serie. Den kostede omkring 30 dollars på Amazon, men aliexpress har dem til 20 dollars. Den drives af en 24 volt adapter, jeg havde liggende, men for 15 dollars på Amazon får du en virkelig kraftig en, og for 10 dollars på aliexpress, så 30-40 dollars. Jeg satte den på en gadget (jeg har et par stykker), og den trak -28"hg. Vand koger ved 100°f i stedet for 212 (37,8C i stedet for 100), nok til at fungere til de fleste almindelige opløsningsmiddeldestillationer, vakuumfiltrering og udtørring... tænkte bare, at jeg ville vise et billigt alternativ til et stykke, der følger med et basissæt
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Jeg glemte venturi-vakuumkilder. Nogle koster 300 dollars og opefter, og man skal have rindende vand. De laver billige, men jeg er ikke sikker på, om de kan klare opgaven. Også denne pumpe trak -23"hg på den ene side, så den kunne bruges som 2 kilder over vakuum, og ved at køre den anden pumpe online blev den 1/10 af volumenet af en enkelt membranpumpe. Den er hviskende stille.
 

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Jeg har 3d-printet en asperator-vakuumpumpe og sat den i forbindelse med en elektrisk vandpumpe, der genbruger vand i en spand. Jeg har ikke haft mulighed for at bruge den endnu. Den larmer. Min lille olievakuumpumpe er stort set stegt. Salpetersyre gør et nummer ud af dem
 

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Også Hcl. Egentlig hvad som helst. Jeg har en enkelt membranpumpe, der stort set er halvdelen af denne, og den larmer for meget til at køre om natten. Denne er også høj, hvis den kun er tilsluttet den ene side, men når du tilslutter den anden membran, bliver den 20 dB mere støjsvag.
 

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jeg fik vevors billigste,, sjovt at det varede omkring et halvt år med at bruge et par gange om ugen. Normalt til filtratgion af mmc freebase eller vakuumdestillation. Sandsynligvis er jeg heldig
 

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Jeg har holdt dem i live i et stykke tid, måske også 6 måneder, det var en 4-timers destillation, der dræbte en, og vakuumdestillation *noget, der var meget surt, hvis jeg havde en rigtig god fælde eller 3, ville den holde 5 gange så længe.
 

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Jeg har fundet ud af, at det er en bedre, renere og generelt mere omkostningseffektiv idé at købe den billigste AC-vakuumoliepumpe, når man destillerer forbindelser med høj boling og bruger pumpen med ætsende eller opløsningsmidler, der påvirker pumpens sundhed, og når den dør (holder op med at tænde), skal man bare smide den ud og købe en ny. Der er ikke brug for smarte pumper med kemisk resistente dele, de koster for meget, de skal stadig vedligeholdes, og delene er nogle gange også svære at få fat i, hvis man ikke er en registreret person.
 

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Jeg har dræbt et par stykker. Der findes ingen reservedele til en vevor 1/4 hk 3,5 cfm-pumpe til 60 dollars. Det, jeg godt kan lide ved disse små DC-vakuumpumper, er, at man tilslutter den anden side, og så er det en kompressor. Jeg sprængte en oppustelig cnair til børn i går aftes med denne. Det tog en evighed (15 minutter), men de flytter ikke ret meget volumen. Jeg tror, den kunne pumpe mit dæk op, hvis jeg prøvede.
 

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Hvad med at bearbejde disse dele af teflon? Det, der sker med min oliepumpe, er, at den glidende plastikventil indeni absorberer opløsningsmidler og udvider sig, og så sætter den sig fast. Det er nemt at bearbejde denne del af teflon med hjemmeværktøj (det er bogstaveligt talt to plader med fjedre indeni), men jeg er ikke sikker på, hvor godt teflon vil fungere, fordi det er meget blødere end det materiale, som ventilen er lavet af.
Og metaldelene - måske kan de belægges med nikkel for at modstå korrosion?
 

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Begge mine roterende venepumper har teflonblade, men problemet er, at olien nedbrydes, og man mister vakuum, og der er nogle små huller i ventilhuset, som har tendens til at blive tilstoppet.
 

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Jeg ville ønske, at der var en video, der viste en vakuumdestillation ved hjælp af en af de lamelvakuumpumper, der bruges til at afgasse epoxy.
 

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Jeg har brændt et par af dem af. Det er virkelig ligetil at bruge dem. Du tilslutter dem og tænder for dem, du skal have en t på den, den ene side er din vakuumledning, den anden side er en ventil, og på toppen er din måler, du åbner ventilen lidt, og det er sådan, du kontrollerer vakuumet. Det største problem med dem er, at al den luft, du vakuumerer, går gennem olien, før den bliver udstødt. Det er OK til hvac eller et vakuumkammer, men oliens forventede levetid kan være så lav som 1 minut, men 4 timer er min gennemsnitlige inciuld g
 

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Hello guys,
Maybe someone have experience with vacuum pumps? I used one from hobby shop, but after couple of shifts is become broken, i think that simple vacuum pump "doesnt like" dcm or acetone fumes. maybe there is alternative ?
 

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Generally nothing likesmthose things. Donyou knownwhat kindnof pumpmit is or can you link ampicturemfrom the net? There are several typesmof vacuum pump.mthe vane pump, often used in repairing a/c equipment, needs vacuum oil andnall of the air it vacuums passes through thay oil, andnthere for the oil is ruined regularly and hasnto be changed every few hours. DIAPHRAM VACUUM PUMPS USE A RUBBER/SILICONE TYPE DIAPHRAM ans therefor are oiless pumps, but depending on the composition of the diaphram could dissentigraye in contact with sctrong chemicals. Then there are claw vacuum pumps, which work on the same principals as a roots style supercharger, and a few vareantiions of each of these. Then there is the aspirator vacuum pump, clearly the besy in situations one can use it in, uses water from a faucet passing ove a venturi andndrawing vacuum. Its the same tehnolgy as a perfume bottle with a bulb you squeeze thay makes a mist or now a carborater works. A carb passes air by thenventuri to draw out gasoline, and an aspirator pump uses water to draw out air. These can run from $20-800+, but they need a source ofnrunning water and the water has to remain cold. You should have a cold trap on your vacuum line. They run $35 and up but will increse the lifespen of your pump significantly and improve the air quality by absorbing some chemicals into water
 

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Thank you for detailed answer! My pump goes with oil, its not works for this chem, when i open the oil valve it shoots all waste around, and after oil change its works much less time, then again need to change oil.. Its not good when on the process. maybe you could drop a link of a watter vaccum like you said? I
 

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Okay, I thought about trap. How about if i use vacuum pump, but between pump and buchner will place a trap..? And what solution I should use in trap, to catch dcm or acetone?
 

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TRUMP announces the U.S will transition to the Metric system !.. so that be 711.2 mmHg.
My Vacuum pump setup is almost identical too NurdRage setup. can say it is workable with ice cold water flowing.
 

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Uh, did he do that? Thats fine with me I have math autism. It shreiked at 711.2mm/hg though, 740 mm/hg? 14.7psig? 1 tor? 740 pascals? All that dont matter anyway because unless younare on a boat in the ocean its all wrong. I'll tell you vacuum is some ofnthe least understood shit. Measuring it i mean. If at.mpressure isn14.7 psig and absolute vacuum is 0 psig, then when you pull a vacuum, is it negative psi? Do you say, " minus 13 pis, minus 13.5 psi, minus 14 psi, minus 14.5 psi, minus 14.6 psi, 0 psi. Of course you cant achieve 0 psi, but you see what im saying?. I'm just kidding around, don't take the red pill of pressure.
 

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erhhh , no, these things are immiscible
Common Sense / Trump
 
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Sometimes I have tomwonder who the fuck came upmwith some of these units, but on the other hand some make perfect sense. Like, what thenfuckmisna foot? Well its 12 inches, which goes into 360 evenly, so it sounds harmoneous to thenearth being sort of a circle, but who decided to devide a circle into 360 parts and why? What would happen if we decided to divide a circle into...369 parts? Wellnit would be more awesome incan see that, because it has 3, 6 and 9. Would it tune music down to A=432? You know, it actually might, although music was already 432 for longer than we have been using 440. Then theres obviously a link there to mopars infamous 440ci big block and its no coincidence that the highes model had a 6 pack carburetor, which is really 3 sets of 2, see, 3,6,9 again ( the 9 is for the dana 60 rear end, it's got a 9 inch ring gear) so now we know why those old chryslers are so fast, the goldden ratio, obviously. Backnto the foot, it's not 25.4 cm, thats 10 inches a foot is (25.4×12) 304.8mm, but 30 cm has nothing to do with 369, sonwhats the poi t?
 

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Thats right, measurement of 1 meter is defined by the distance your eyelids travels from open position to closed position that is 1 meter. where as 1 yard is defined as the distance that one of your eyelids (left one only) travels from the fully open position to the fully closed position, as long as your looking top dead centre* center*
 

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All these different systems of measurement have been around and have come and gone for milennia. Sacred geometry/divine proportions comes from observing and measuring phenomena in nature and recording the patterns etc. Nobody made these up or decided their actual foot was going to be a standard unit one day. For example, it isn't a coincidence that there are 12 months, 12 apostles, 12 inches etc. The original system wasn't any one, but an ecclectic blend of all we know, it was a combination and there were formulas for conversions etc. If you go and look at alot of the monuments and monoliths and other sacred sites around the world you will find that they have measurements with all these proportions and ratios in these different systems of measuring, simultaneously. You'll notice these same numbers over and over, 3, 10, 12, 33, 48, 108, 555 etc. 432 is in there, fibonacci sequence, PHI/golden ratio 1-1.618, and many others - through different systems and disciplines, standard/metric etc. from music, architecture, engineering, astronomy to chemistry etc. when you go to compare them. This just scratches the surface of some very deep stuff if you're interested in these types of rabbit holes. The things people in high places don't want you to know.
 
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