Need help convert bmk 5449-12-7 to free base A-oil

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Oily layer of course
What did you do for this? They just dissolve?
 

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@Saul please post your yield

How much grams of powder you used and how much ml of pure oil you got back.

And why did you add sulfuric acid to it? Where did you heard this?
 

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hello Patton

yes they just dissolve I think they use verry bad quality stainless steel .
the rod is ok this picture is how it looks when it was new
 

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It was just thinking by myself. And I had nothing to lose for trying .

I post final results when I have them .
 

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Use teflon, otherwise it will always be the same result.
There is no such thing as good or bad stainless steel with strong acid. HCl, H2SO4, HBr, HNO3 etc. It will always be the same result. 10€ on Aliexpress...
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yes my friend I order today but it is more expensive 24€ with plug for flask 29
 

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1. What does a-oil mean?
2. What is 1kg ap, is it apaan?
3. Are you done? Phenylacetone?

1 kg ap 0.5 water 1.2 phorsphor ( so here I use an extra 0.5liter phosphoric ) 140 degrees 5 hours with agitator
You have to get 140 degrees at a lower temperature you get dirty oil

Saul

 

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So today I try again with some things different.
I use 500gr BMK powder
250ml water
950 ml phosphoric acid 75%
40ml sulfuric acid 96%

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it is very thik liquid almost like pulp .
 

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Hi,

It is very interesting to vary the chemical reagents... but would it be possible to have a yield. And therefore to distil your production to have a high purity and a final product.

Because without a comparison, it doesn't help much. And moreover it would be useful for the whole community.

So in short, a yield of your raw product after reaction and a yield after distillation.

Thank you in advance.
 

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hello the photo is the result of the first step.
I'm a bit stuck for the second step because I can't find the explanation anywhere.
 

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I started with bmk powder. the methods you post started with other products.
I just want to know what to do now to get A oil
I know that I now need 85% formic acid but there is no clear explanation to be found.

the street name off the oil I have now is B-oil so now I need to transfer it to A-oil
 
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I'll explain what you just did is called a decarboxylation.

If your starting molecule is the cas 5449-12-7 and his name is BMK Glycidic Acid (sodium salt):

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Mechanism:
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BMK at the end of mechanism is Benzyl Methyl Ketone or P2P (Your orange oil)

The method you want to use with formic acid is a variant of the links above. But you will get the same result with amphetamine or methamphetamine:
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(HCOOH is formic acid)
 

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thx you serialz for trying to explane with hands and feet but Iam not yet out off it .

The last 3 days I search for answers and the only thing I find is more than 12 different people asking this same question in allot off different topics .
but for some reason they go off topic and the question remains unanswered everywhere
 

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Take this pdf. All the method with the formic is on this pdf page 33 and after.

Don't forget that your orange oil is phenylacetone or p2p or 1-phenyl-2-propanone. This will help you find your way around the pdf.

What you call A-Oil is N-Formylamphetamine. You will find everything you want in this pdf even what you expect with formic acid.

But I think the problem is that chemically (no disrespect of course) you don't understand what you are doing and where you are going.
 

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