using 85% phosphoric acid instead of H20 in a 1:1 ratio to ephedrine creates a more effective reaction, mix ephedrine with phosphorus and then dissolve it in heated phosphoric acid, temperature approx. 100 °C and add iodine in increments so that the last iodine is added around 130 °C and the reaction ends at 140-150 °C. open the condenser flask and blow off the remaining iodine. iodine in a 1:1 ratio to ephedrine. 45-60 minutes and it is ready for extraction
with hydroiodic and red phosphorus i was able to extract in just 2 hours and it raises as fuck it's just something else and wizzy i don't know how to explain it
using 85% phosphoric acid instead of H20 in a 1:1 ratio to ephedrine creates a more effective reaction, mix ephedrine with phosphorus and then dissolve it in heated phosphoric acid, temperature approx. 100 °C and add iodine in increments so that the last iodine is added around 130 °C and the reaction ends at 140-150 °C. open the condenser flask and blow off the remaining iodine. iodine in a 1:1 ratio to ephedrine. 45-60 minutes and it is ready for extraction
This method carry great risk of explosion, once when i was young i tried to hydroiodic acid by mixing iodine and phosphoric acid (85%) and heating it and it exploded, so reaction is way safer with water, phosphorus acid is by product in the reaction and contribute nothik, by the way its intresting how they prepared phosphrous triiodide in situ to halogenate the OH group and reaction time decresed a lot, back in the days i was using 72h LWR to get the same output, Good video
with hydroiodic and red phosphorus i was able to extract in just 2 hours and it raises as fuck it's just something else and wizzy i don't know how to explain it
This method carry great risk of explosion, once when i was young i tried to hydroiodic acid by mixing iodine and phosphoric acid (85%) and heating it and it exploded, so reaction is way safer with water, phosphorus acid is by product in the reaction and contribute nothik, by the way its intresting how they prepared phosphrous triiodide in situ to halogenate the OH group and reaction time decresed a lot, back in the days i was using 72h LWR to get the same output, Good video
I have done this reaction 1000 times, while observing the proportions and reaction conditions, including the procedure of adding reagents and iodine in parts, nothing has ever happened to me
using 85% phosphoric acid instead of H20 in a 1:1 ratio to ephedrine creates a more effective reaction, mix ephedrine with phosphorus and then dissolve it in heated phosphoric acid, temperature approx. 100 °C and add iodine in increments so that the last iodine is added around 130 °C and the reaction ends at 140-150 °C. open the condenser flask and blow off the remaining iodine. iodine in a 1:1 ratio to ephedrine. 45-60 minutes and it is ready for extraction
I have done this reaction 1000 times, while observing the proportions and reaction conditions, including the procedure of adding reagents and iodine in parts, nothing has ever happened to me
This remains my best method but I don't do all this process like reduction for 24hours and it's very safe no risk, my only problem is getting ephedrine Hcl,
Yeah, when they took our premade HI, and we figured out making it with the P Phed in the flask, it cut a long cook down to 24 hours. They say if flashed right, its done in 3 hours. I always ran it 24
This method carry great risk of explosion, once when i was young i tried to hydroiodic acid by mixing iodine and phosphoric acid (85%) and heating it and it exploded, so reaction is way safer with water, phosphorus acid is by product in the reaction and contribute nothik, by the way its intresting how they prepared phosphrous triiodide in situ to halogenate the OH group and reaction time decresed a lot, back in the days i was using 72h LWR to get the same output, Good vide
Yeah, when they took our premade HI, and we figured out making it with the P Phed in the flask, it cut a long cook down to 24 hours. They say if flashed right, its done in 3 hours. I always ran it 24
But jesusjames do u know much about synthesis ephedrine or have u tried extracting ephedrine from pills does it actually give sharp big crystals like ephedrine Hcl, please lets share ideas and knowledge a little and permit me to call u teacher I joined this business 3years ago
My knowledge is no good anymore. It was 25 years ago when ephedrine was easy to get. At one time, I was able to walk into Costco and load up a shopping cart full of pills that extracted easily. My teacher would order cases af them and send me in to pick them up. He had a business licence for health food or something. I don't know cutting edge current info. Methods evolve with current issues. I'm using bmk glycidate and pmk glycidate. But I have been retired for the last 15 years. 10 of that was in prison. This is ot a game. Be careful.
But jesusjames do u know much about synthesis ephedrine or have u tried extracting ephedrine from pills does it actually give sharp big crystals like ephedrine Hcl, please lets share ideas and knowledge a little and permit me to call u teacher I joined this business 3years ago
This remains my best method but I don't do all this process like reduction for 24hours and it's very safe no risk, my only problem is getting ephedrine Hcl,
i have the iodine reagent grade and red phosphorous, i just cant get these pills clean enough for a reaction. can somebody help me i got the pills alcohol washed then water washed then froze the water then filtered that. it looks like nothing but. pinwheels on a mirror. do yall think its good enough to react yet? they're the red pills the 30mg.
idk bro but i mean if you saw maybe tramp's( rip bob) posts about cleaning red hot with water and alcohol you sure remember that he did that with a super old box of pills from like the 1995.
im in europe and i only use the white 60 with cetirizine or the 120 with povidone. eu pills are not super gakked but water it activate the polymers in the pills i think eudraget was called,it gellify, there is someone that can confirm or debunk this?
i have the iodine reagent grade and red phosphorous, i just cant get these pills clean enough for a reaction. can somebody help me i got the pills alcohol washed then water washed then froze the water then filtered that. it looks like nothing but. pinwheels on a mirror. do yall think its good enough to react yet? they're the red pills the 30mg
i have the iodine reagent grade and red phosphorous, i just cant get these pills clean enough for a reaction. can somebody help me i got the pills alcohol washed then water washed then froze the water then filtered that. it looks like nothing but. pinwheels on a mirror. do yall think its good enough to react yet? they're the red pills the 30mg.
idk bro but i mean if you saw maybe tramp's( rip bob) posts about cleaning red hot with water and alcohol you sure remember that he did that with a super old box of pills from like the 1995.
im in europe and i only use the white 60 with cetirizine or the 120 with povidone. eu pills are not super gakked but water it activate the polymers in the pills i think eudraget was called,it gellify, there is someone that can confirm or debunk this?
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Here's the best way to know if your ready to RXN(kickitoff)
Hey my brother love the conversation and the knowledge that's being shared. Here's some more.. If your wondering if your eph or pfed is ready for synth best old school way to know is simply put some on some thick foil and smoke it. If it burns smokes up and leaves behind a light brownish/black residue on foil then it's ready to be reduced. If it has any white dots or or crust in the residue then de-gakk that shit my friend. Never use water ever I don't remember who said it but the sec you do you will activate the polymers/gel and it's fucked. It's not hard to de- gakk pills y'all don't let them party poopers fool you. If gentle and done right it still can be done in one step as well with red hot 30's white 60's ect. Don't use water downed heet/ methanol. Either use 91% or 99% isopro alc or lab grade methanol or ethanol powder them bitches get about 20 coffee filters fill them up with crushed pill mass twist all of them closed. It should look like a big version of those white paper twisted pop rocks things that you would throw at the ground ass a kid. Fill you up a large clay or porcelain coffee cup with either alcs and drop that white twist cherry bomb in there and put in freezer for at least 12hrs. DONT FUCK WITH IT AT ALL. WHEN YOU GO TO RECIEVE IT DONT SQUEEZE THE FILTERS/SWIRL THEM/ NOTHING FORCEFUL. JUST PULL STRAIGHT OUT AND LET DRIP IN CUP TIL DONE. Then EVAP/flash with acetone to nothing but cln pinwheels or thick clear layer of crunchy when scrapes rxstals. Got to bounce playa. By the way Etsy is the shit ain't it. Nuff said
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Hey my brother love the conversation and the knowledge that's being shared. Here's some more.. If your wondering if your eph or pfed is ready for synth best old school way to know is simply put some on some thick foil and smoke it. If it burns smokes up and leaves behind a light brownish/black residue on foil then it's ready to be reduced. If it has any white dots or or crust in the residue then de-gakk that shit my friend. Never use water ever I don't remember who said it but the sec you do you will activate the polymers/gel and it's fucked. It's not hard to de- gakk pills y'all don't let them party poopers fool you. If gentle and done right it still can be done in one step as well with red hot 30's white 60's ect. Don't use water downed heet/ methanol. Either use 91% or 99% isopro alc or lab grade methanol or ethanol powder them bitches get about 20 coffee filters fill them up with crushed pill mass twist all of them closed. It should look like a big version of those white paper twisted pop rocks things that you would throw at the ground ass a kid. Fill you up a large clay or porcelain coffee cup with either alcs and drop that white twist cherry bomb in there and put in freezer for at least 12hrs. DONT FUCK WITH IT AT ALL. WHEN YOU GO TO RECIEVE IT DONT SQUEEZE THE FILTERS/SWIRL THEM/ NOTHING FORCEFUL. JUST PULL STRAIGHT OUT AND LET DRIP IN CUP TIL DONE. Then EVAP/flash with acetone to nothing but cln pinwheels or thick clear layer of crunchy when scrapes rxstals. Got to bounce playa. By the way Etsy is the shit ain't it. Nuff said
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Here's the best way to know if your ready to RXN(kickitoff)
Hey my brother love the conversation and the knowledge that's being shared. Here's some more.. If your wondering if your eph or pfed is ready for synth best old school way to know is simply put some on some thick foil and smoke it. If it burns smokes up and leaves behind a light brownish/black residue on foil then it's ready to be reduced. If it has any white dots or or crust in the residue then de-gakk that shit my friend. Never use water ever I don't remember who said it but the sec you do you will activate the polymers/gel and it's fucked. It's not hard to de- gakk pills y'all don't let them party poopers fool you. If gentle and done right it still can be done in one step as well with red hot 30's white 60's ect. Don't use water downed heet/ methanol. Either use 91% or 99% isopro alc or lab grade methanol or ethanol powder them bitches get about 20 coffee filters fill them up with crushed pill mass twist all of them closed. It should look like a big version of those white paper twisted pop rocks things that you would throw at the ground ass a kid. Fill you up a large clay or porcelain coffee cup with either alcs and drop that white twist cherry bomb in there and put in freezer for at least 12hrs. DONT FUCK WITH IT AT ALL. WHEN YOU GO TO RECIEVE IT DONT SQUEEZE THE FILTERS/SWIRL THEM/ NOTHING FORCEFUL. JUST PULL STRAIGHT OUT AND LET DRIP IN CUP TIL DONE. Then EVAP/flash with acetone to nothing but cln pinwheels or thick clear layer of crunchy when scrapes rxstals. Got to bounce playa. By the way Etsy is the shit ain't it. Nuff said
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Here's the best way to know if your ready to RXN(kickitoff) ZD
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Hey my brother love the conversation and the knowledge that's being shared. Here's some more.. If your wondering if your eph or pfed is ready for synth best old school way to know is simply put some on some thick foil and smoke it. If it burns smokes up and leaves behind a light brownish/black residue on foil then it's ready to be reduced. If it has any white dots or or crust in the residue then de-gakk that shit my friend. Never use water ever I don't remember who said it but the sec you do you will activate the polymers/gel and it's fucked. It's not hard to de- gakk pills y'all don't let them party poopers fool you. If gentle and done right it still can be done in one step as well with red hot 30's white 60's ect. Don't use water downed heet/ methanol. Either use 91% or 99% isopro alc or lab grade methanol or ethanol powder them bitches get about 20 coffee filters fill them up with crushed pill mass twist all of them closed. It should look like a big version of those white paper twisted pop rocks things that you would throw at the ground ass a kid. Fill you up a large clay or porcelain coffee cup with either alcs and drop that white twist cherry bomb in there and put in freezer for at least 12hrs. DONT FUCK WITH IT AT ALL. WHEN YOU GO TO RECIEVE IT DONT SQUEEZE THE FILTERS/SWIRL THEM/ NOTHING FORCEFUL. JUST PULL STRAIGHT OUT AND LET DRIP IN CUP TIL DONE. Then EVAP/flash with acetone to nothing but cln pinwheels or thick clear layer of crunchy when scrapes rxstals. Got to bounce playa. By the way Etsy is the shit ain't it. Nuff said
Hello, nice video but i have a question. Is this viable with pseudoephedrine instead? (or rather with a mixture of paracetamol and pseudoephedrine from a medicine?)
For obtaining red phosphorus, consider commercial suppliers, recycling phosphorus-containing materials, or extracting from phosphate minerals like apatite, ensuring safety and efficiency.
Thank you for the good video, If you make it with ephedrine, doesn't L-racemic meth form? I understand that it must be made with pseudoephedrine to become D-racemic meth. Why was the video made with ephedrine? If you are capable, please let me know. Thank you in advance.
I have watched many different tutorials on making meth and in all of them they get a powder like end product and they call it methamphetamine hydrochloride. Now my question is that, the meth or crystal meth we are usually familiar with is a in crystal form so is that crystal meth different than the meth synthesized in these tutorials like this one? Or its this same one? If it's this same one then how do we crystallize this powder meth? As, obviously the meth we see on the streets is crystallized and not this powder like meth.
Also, in these tutorials they call the end product methamphetamine hydrochloride. Is this methamphetamine hydrochloride different thing/formula than that of ice, crystal meth? Because as far as I know ice, crystal meth is Methamphetamine ONLY not the methamphetamine HCl. Or HCl is present there as an impurity? If so how to remove it?
I have watched many different tutorials on making meth and in all of them they get a powder like end product and they call it methamphetamine hydrochloride. Now my question is that, the meth or crystal meth we are usually familiar with is a in crystal form so is that crystal meth different than the meth synthesized in these tutorials like this one? Or its this same one? If it's this same one then how do we crystallize this powder meth? As, obviously the meth we see on the streets is crystallized and not this powder like meth.
Also, in these tutorials they call the end product methamphetamine hydrochloride. Is this methamphetamine hydrochloride different thing/formula than that of ice, crystal meth? Because as far as I know ice, crystal meth is Methamphetamine ONLY not the methamphetamine HCl. Or HCl is present there as an impurity? If so how to remove it?
They are both meth HCl. When it is first precipitated as a salt it looks like a powder, this is the crank form. You have to rinse the crank with acetone to further purify and then dissolve into alcohol or water and let dry slowly and it will crystalize clear. When it is dried, this will be closer to the ice you are familiar with.
When I joined I knew just about as much as you. After about a month or two I was reducing my own pills. All the information is here, between that and a chemistry for dummies book. So for you and everyone else looking on, consider it a challenge and not a derision. Take some time and figure it out. Indulging and entertaining everyone that shows up and wants answers for the most basic questions is not something people THAT KNOW are going to waste their time doing. We're all here to compare notes and help each other "get it", simultaneously, spoon-feeding is rather frowned upon. If someone has some extra time and patience, consider it your lucky day.
If I know someone is getting their hands dirty and can't figure something out, I'll help em' as best I can, so I can learn from their successes and failures also. But its like everyone I ask to buy me a pack of sudafed - then they want me to sit there for an hour and tell them how to make meth out of it and answer all their ridiculous questions ..like what the fuck are they going to understand or remember anyway? Secrets of the trade. You know?
The money? It's close by..... How bout JOO?! ...Where JOO got JOR stuff? You want me to come in again .. we start over? .....Cono, Tony....
Any excess iodine ought to be eliminated with sodium thiosulfate or a like substitute. It probably won't be much ...or worth it anyway, granted you are using the right proportions. The red phosphorus is what you want to make sure you gather at the end of the reaction and save it for the next cook.
I believe you can recycle your red P for atleast 5-10 batches maybe, adding a little more fresh red P to the recycled stuff.
You feed iodine to your red phos, and it shits out HI acid.
Hello, nice video but i have a question. Is this viable with pseudoephedrine instead? (or rather with a mixture of paracetamol and pseudoephedrine from a medicine?)
With the pseudo, yes. You will reduce it into d-meth with this method. You will want to remove the paracetamol before you add the pseudo to the RV for cooking.
There is no such thing as "D-racemic meth" - It is either d-meth or L-meth, which means dextro or Levo. Your left hand and right hand molecule, mirror images. D-meth is the good shit. Levo-meth is the OTC nasal inhaler shit. Racemic means that there is a combination of the two.
If you are using ephedrine or pseudo from pills as your starting material, then it should be exclusively d-meth when the smoke clears. You will only get racemic meth from racemic ephedrine/pseudo. If you are doing a P2p cook, the product will be racemic meth, and this is what the cartels are flooding the US out with. You could probably make a living from isolating and recycling the L-meth from the cartel race-meth on its own. The isolated d-meth really packs a whollop if you aren't used to it.
They are both meth HCl. When it is first precipitated as a salt it looks like a powder, this is the crank form. You have to rinse the crank with acetone to further purify and then dissolve into alcohol or water and let dry slowly and it will crystalize clear. When it is dried, this will be closer to the ice you are familiar with.
When I joined I knew just about as much as you. After about a month or two I was reducing my own pills. All the information is here, between that and a chemistry for dummies book. So for you and everyone else looking on, consider it a challenge and not a derision. Take some time and figure it out. Indulging and entertaining everyone that shows up and wants answers for the most basic questions is not something people THAT KNOW are going to waste their time doing. We're all here to compare notes and help each other "get it", simultaneously, spoon-feeding is rather frowned upon. If someone has some extra time and patience, consider it your lucky day.
If I know someone is getting their hands dirty and can't figure something out, I'll help em' as best I can, so I can learn from their successes and failures also. But its like everyone I ask to buy me a pack of sudafed - then they want me to sit there for an hour and tell them how to make meth out of it and answer all their ridiculous questions ..like what the fuck are they going to understand or remember anyway? Secrets of the trade. You know?
The money? It's close by..... How bout JOO?! ...Where JOO got JOR stuff? You want me to come in again .. we start over? .....Cono, Tony....
It really helped. Actually, I had figured this out somewhat but you know, science specially chemistry can't be done by just figuring something out on your own especially when you are not an expert. That's why I wanted an expert to guide me on this and thankfully you responded. Thanks again.
Once again, you mentioned that you get d-meth when ephidrine/ pseudoephedrine you used is d type. And it will be racemic if you used racemic ephidrine/pseudoephedrine.
Now, how do we know if the ephidrine/pseudoephedrine we have with us is d or L?? Because we get both from cold pills and they don't mention either it's d or L.
It really helped. Actually, I had figured this out somewhat but you know, science specially chemistry can't be done by just figuring something out on your own especially when you are not an expert. That's why I wanted an expert to guide me on this and thankfully you responded. Thanks again.
Once again, you mentioned that you get d-meth when ephidrine/ pseudoephedrine you used is d type. And it will be racemic if you used racemic ephidrine/pseudoephedrine.
Now, how do we know if the ephidrine/pseudoephedrine we have with us is d or L?? Because we get both from cold pills and they don't mention either it's d or L.
I believe it is safe to assume pharmaceutical ephedrine/pseudo is almost always going to produce d-meth, that is, EP/PSE extracted from the pills. I don't know if its dex or levo ep/pse that reduces into d-meth, but in any event, there is only one enantiomer in the pills, and it is the one we want, which will reduce into d-meth. Which exactly, I am not certain, I'm sure someone with more experience knows. If you are extracting from ma huang herb, I believe that will produce a racemic product as you are getting a blend of alkaloids. Unless you can isolate them, which I'm sure is what they do in the pharmaceutical process.
They actually use the bioephedra method from L-PAC for commercial pharma purposes. A certain strain of yeast will process benzaldehyde into L-PAC, which can be converted into EP/PSE for reaction purposes, again, unless you can isolate the specific enantiomer, I believe this will produce a racemic product.
From wikipedia:
Nomenclature
The four stereoisomers of ephedrine.
Ephedrine exhibits optical isomerism and has two chiral centres, giving rise to four stereoisomers. By convention, the pair of enantiomers with the stereochemistry (1R,2S) and (1S,2R) is designated ephedrine, while the pair of enantiomers with the stereochemistry (1R,2R) and (1S,2S) is called pseudoephedrine.
If you only heating this to 85°C your guaranteed to only get a maximum of 10% meth when done.. that’s nowhere near hot enough for a full conversion. you want to be closer to 120 to 140°C. You want the tiny silverfish bubbles .
hello any help please is there anyway to do it without the red phosphorus please guys i have only i2 (lab grade) and hi (57%) please any help is there any alternative to red phosphorus because i can find the h3po2 ( the hypo acid ) is there any other acid can help ?
really if i use hi dont need for phosphorus can plzase help me i cat find a way to do it without r phos i have a hidriodic acid 57% lab grade whats the ratio and how to do it... please help
I have done this reaction 1000 times, while observing the proportions and reaction conditions, including the procedure of adding reagents and iodine in parts, nothing has ever happened to me
Hello, i have a question. I want to do this reaction large scale in a reactor. Can i dissolve the iodine in a substance so i can drop in the iodine with a dropping funnel so i dont have to open the reactor every time i want to add iodine?
Hello, i have a question. I want to do this reaction large scale in a reactor. Can i dissolve the iodine in a substance so i can drop in the iodine with a dropping funnel so i dont have to open the reactor every time i want to add iodine?
Iodine is slighty soluable in water. This is probably the only liquid you *could* use in theory. I believe it is generated as a byproduct and you want to increase the total volume at the end of the reaction anyway. Try to only use just enough to dissolve the necessary iodine into solution and keep track of how much is used. You can't really over do it with water anyway (of course you can!) but it isn't that big of a problem unless you make it into one. You'll just have to reduce alot of water and or it will quench your reaction.
@stevepreston The proportions for this reaction are generally 1 ephedrine part, 1 iodine part, 1/3 phosphorous part. (and just enough water (+heat?) to get it to react.) How much HI does that make exactly? I don't have a clue.
What we can do is... figure out the molar equivalent for ephedrine and iodine and compare that to the amount of HI necessary to reduce X amount ephedrine.
So the question becomes.. For example. ...how many ml of %57 HI is needed to reduce 10g of ephedrine? Also, like the gentleman said in the other thread, if you have agents to regenerate the HI in situ (iodine or red p etc) take that into account. Apparently the HI has to be %40 or stronger.
