You can use Ephedrine to make D-Methamphetamine. Or Phenylpropanolamine or Cathine to make D-Amphetamine.
D-Amphetamine from Phenylpropanolamine/Cathine using Lithium metal modified Birch reduction shake and bake. D-Methamphetamine from Ephedrine.
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Hi everyone,
Does that mean the white powder like product we got at the end of this whole process was the final product?? And, it needs no further processing or anything it's the same "ice, crystal meth" sold on the street?? If so, why was it in the powder form and not in the crystal form as we usually see it?? And, how can we crystallize it?
Also, in most of the videos I see that at the end of the process they call their final product ( this very same powder like product) methamphetamine hydrochloride and not ONLy Methamphetamine? Why is that so? is ice or crystal meth we usually know that it's only methamphetamine but actually it is methamphetamine hydrochloride and the word hydrochloride is just not mentioned but it is always there as silent word? Or Hydrochloride we get at the end is extracted using another process to purify the final product which is then ONLY Methamphetamine (ice, crystal meth)?
Does that mean the white powder like product we got at the end of this whole process was the final product?? And, it needs no further processing or anything it's the same "ice, crystal meth" sold on the street?? If so, why was it in the powder form and not in the crystal form as we usually see it?? And, how can we crystallize it?
Also, in most of the videos I see that at the end of the process they call their final product ( this very same powder like product) methamphetamine hydrochloride and not ONLy Methamphetamine? Why is that so? is ice or crystal meth we usually know that it's only methamphetamine but actually it is methamphetamine hydrochloride and the word hydrochloride is just not mentioned but it is always there as silent word? Or Hydrochloride we get at the end is extracted using another process to purify the final product which is then ONLY Methamphetamine (ice, crystal meth)?
@Jumin, almost every drug in its base form is an oil, so when someone talks about end product in a powder or big crystals, they refer to its salt form, for meth it's almost exclusively hydrochloride salt.
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Thanks man!
I've got one more question, So the end product which we get at the end of this procedure that is Methamphetamine HCl it is in powder form. But, the actual product we see in the streets is in crystal form. Do we have to dissolve this very same powder in some liquid and we have to recrystallize it to get big crystals? If so how do we do that? And what solvants do we use? Can you please give some key points of this recrystallization process?
I've got one more question, So the end product which we get at the end of this procedure that is Methamphetamine HCl it is in powder form. But, the actual product we see in the streets is in crystal form. Do we have to dissolve this very same powder in some liquid and we have to recrystallize it to get big crystals? If so how do we do that? And what solvants do we use? Can you please give some key points of this recrystallization process?
When freebase meth has been precipitated in salt form in hydrocarbon solution - "THE PRETTY SNOW" - this is known as the "crank" form of the drug.
Ice has been washed and purified and crystallized into what it is with acetone and alcohol or water.
Ice has been washed and purified and crystallized into what it is with acetone and alcohol or water.
Also, back then I was a meth cook, not a chemist. I would take care to dry it thoroughly but I sold it right out of the filter without re crystal. the consistency depended on what was used to pull it with. toluene and xylene gave a white fluffy powder. Coleman fuel gave a off white crystalline product. 111 triclorethane and othe chlorinated solvents gave a greenish crystal, sometime large. ether.....
Damn. I don't remember what ether gave. it's been 20 years or more since.
Damn. I don't remember what ether gave. it's been 20 years or more since.
I know it may be a dumb question, bit could u theoretically also use ammonium sulfate instead of ammonium nitrate? Only differences i could find were that sulfate isnt explosive like nitrate and that the same ammount of sulfate would make the solution more acidic than the same ammount of nitrate (so i would use less)
Im not a chemist and i know that the molecular structure is different. Im just asking if it could also work cuz ammonium nitrate is extremely hard to get here but ammonium sulfate isnt. Greetings
Im not a chemist and i know that the molecular structure is different. Im just asking if it could also work cuz ammonium nitrate is extremely hard to get here but ammonium sulfate isnt. Greetings
Yes, you can use roughly any ammonium salt (from what I understand) - I have only used nitrate myself, because I can still find in the coldpacks. Running dry though I got about 6 cooks left.
What product do you use for ammonium sulfate? Or how do you source it, if I may ask?
Thanks.
What product do you use for ammonium sulfate? Or how do you source it, if I may ask?
Thanks.
On second inspection, I would like to add that you will probably need to think about how much sulfate compared to nitrate because
ammonium is 18.039 g/mol
nitrate is 62.004 g·mol
sulfate is 96.06 g·mol
ammonium nitrate is 80.043 g/mol
ammonium sulfate is 132.14 g/mol
HOWEVER - AS uses TWO ammonium molecules for 1 sulfate compared to AN which uses 1:1.
We see this in the formula for AS : (NH4)2-SO4 and AN : NH4NO3
We have twice as much ammonia in the sulfate salt compared to the nitrate salt., The nitrate weights less however. So you can see, we will need a molar equivalent per weight.
We wont have to worry about the solution being too acidic because of all the NaOH, and ammonia is basic also. At a quick glance, it seems to me that we would be able to use a little less than %50 as much AS compared to AN to produce the same amount of ammonia gas. I have not been able to find ammonium sulfate in any OTC consumer products however, so I have not experimented with this yet.
ammonium is 18.039 g/mol
nitrate is 62.004 g·mol
sulfate is 96.06 g·mol
ammonium nitrate is 80.043 g/mol
ammonium sulfate is 132.14 g/mol
HOWEVER - AS uses TWO ammonium molecules for 1 sulfate compared to AN which uses 1:1.
We see this in the formula for AS : (NH4)2-SO4 and AN : NH4NO3
We have twice as much ammonia in the sulfate salt compared to the nitrate salt., The nitrate weights less however. So you can see, we will need a molar equivalent per weight.
We wont have to worry about the solution being too acidic because of all the NaOH, and ammonia is basic also. At a quick glance, it seems to me that we would be able to use a little less than %50 as much AS compared to AN to produce the same amount of ammonia gas. I have not been able to find ammonium sulfate in any OTC consumer products however, so I have not experimented with this yet.