Full MDA Synthesis Starting from Helional

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Why not use the method given on The Vesp or here:
https://chemistry.mdma.ch/index/mda.html it seems easier.

Helional or 3-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-methylpropanal to the Helionamide or MMDPPA or 3-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-methylpropanamide

This is a rough sketch from someone's post from The Vesp:

100g Heli run
Mix 400 ml DMSO and 36.93g Hydroxylamine HCL, then add 100g heli and the last 100ml of DMSO.
Heat for 90 minutes at 85-90°C on hotpate with good stirring.
Turn off heating and when temp has gone down to about 70°C, add 15% NaOH solution carefully until pH is about 10, try keep temp around 70-80°C.
Then at 65-70°C start dripping 600ml 30% H2O2 very carefully. The H2O2 is pre-basified to pH 7-7.5 with 15% NaOH, keep a ice-bath ready if temps rise fast to above 95°C and periodically measure the pH to confirm it stays between pH 8-10.
If pH falls below 8 add 15% NaOH till pH is about 10, the temps should be about 80-95°C during the H2O2 addition.
When all 600ml H2O2 has been added continue stir until gas evolution and exothermia had ceased.
When temps have decreased to about 50°C one have 2 choices,
One could pour the content into a large beaker/pyrex dish, put into refrigerator and let it sit overnight to form crystals,
or one could dump it into ice cold water and then immediately vacuum filter the crystals.
I think i go with slow crystallization overnight.
Then vacuum filter the crystals and wash them on the funnel with distilled water.
Re-crystallization from water if it seem needed.


Then a Hofmann rearrangement of Helionamide with NaDCC (sodium dichloroisocyanurate) to MDA freebase.

Here is someone else's outline also from The Vesp:

Chemicals:
7.28g NaDCC dihydrate (~29 mmol)
400ml 10% NaOH
10.90g helionamide (~53 mmol)

Procedure and observations:
The entire 7.28g of sodium dichloroisocyanurate dihydrate was added to 400ml of warm 10% NaOH. I made the mistake of not crushing the little granules into a powder as before. If you're going to attempt this, crush the NaDCC into a fine powder. After nearly an hour of heating there was still a cloud of very fine precipitate visible in the beaker.
Then the helionamide was added in portions (no exotherm was observed, so it would probably be possible to just dump it in).
The mixture was heated to 70C and then to 90C. Total heating time was about 2 hours. The reaction was monitored by TLC on silica (eluent: 7:3 ethyl acetate/hexane, visualized by permanganate. UV works very poorly here in my experience.).

There wasn't much CO2 evolution - I'd say none, really. Maybe it was all immediately absorbed by the hydroxide and that's why I couldn't see bubbles. TLC was helpful.
A decision was made to hold the RM off-heat, but on stirrer and with a watchglass on top for the entire night (~9h). After letting the mixture stand a thin layer of brown-yellow oil could be seen on coalescing on top. The reaction mixture had a characteristic smell of something trying to smell bad but not doing too good of a job at it
;D
. I'd describe it as warm helional that had gone bad.

The reaction mixture was filtered to remove the fine precipitate and the yellow mother liquor was extracted using 3x40ml of DCM. The extracts were red/orange in color. The DCM extracts were extracted using 90ml of water to which 10ml of conc. HCl was added. This mixture was added in 4 portions and the extracts were yellow. This was then basified using first potassium carbonate and then sodium hydroxide. You could as well probably just use sodium hydroxide - the basicity created by the carbonate wasn't enough to fully precipitate the amine freebase.
The mixture was put in fridge and a couple large globules of red oil could be seen on the bottom. The basified mixture was extracted once again with 3x30ml DCM, dried over magnesium sulfate and the DCM was mostly stripped with help of some warm water and a fan.

When the mixture was concentrated to around 20ml it was poured into a 25ml RBF and heated up over a steam bath to draw off any remaining DCM.

Then the oil was vacuum distilled (140C, ~1mbar, remember - first vacuum, then heat! There will be a lot of bumping as some DCM will always remain and has to be first drawn off by the pump - use the gas ballast to remove it from the oil or it will kill your pump). The crude oil weighed 6g and after the distillation it was around 5g. Pure phenylethylamine freebases are colorless - and the distillate was indeed colorless. In the boiling flask there remained red goop that had a smell similar to that of the freebase.

The freebase was taken up in ~20ml of IPA, acidified using 3 pipettefuls of conc. HCl and the salt spontaneously precipitated out as thick crystals after addition of some anhydrous acetone.

The salt was filtered and washed with plenty of acetone. After drying the final yield of very pure (blindingly white!) MDA hydrochloride is around ~50%. The converesion to salt is nearly quantitative, but remember to collect the second crop from the washings (I forgot about it and lost ~500mg of the product).


I have not gotten around to MDA but I would for sure go with this method instead of the older "2 dogz" synth outlined here.
 

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You can use any method what do you want

Our team published only methods that were tested in our labs
 

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If switching to toluene, would any adjustments have to be made? Or can you stick to the same recipe, just switching out toluene for dcm? Thanks
 

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Nice job, from mda to mdma is easy or dificult?
 

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if you have inert gas (N2 or Ar) synthesis not difficult
 
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And methyl iodide?
 

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I have read it but it takes 4 days the process
 

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.i mean the reaction from mda to mdma is of 4 days , maybe another way??
 

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question, how stable amide (α-Methyl-1,3-benzodixole-5-propanamide) is?
Is this substation suitable for long term storage?
 

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Amides are usually very stable to heat, oxygen, and a bit of moisture. The benzodioxole ring is also quite stable (its found in many natural products like safrole, piperonal, etc.). The amide in question lacks any easily hydrolyzable esters, acid-sensitive groups, or unstable halogens, so it's most likely well-suited for storage. I would still recommend that you store it at or below room temp if possible, and def avoid any prolonged moisture just because that's easy to control. Cap or seal it tightly too to avoid slow oxidation, this amide is generally pretty resistant to oxidation under these conditions but it's still a good practice. One thing tho is that the benzodioxole ring is UV-sensitive and I think could possibly degrade with a long time in the light, so just store in a dark place or in an amber/dark container or vial. If you want to be really safe you can store it with a dessicant too, but all this is probably overkill. I've stored it for a month and used it with no loss in yield, but never longer than that and I kept it in a fridge.
 

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Are we supposed to combine the 1000ML of DCM we use to quench the RXN (Fig. 39) with the DCM that is used to extract the aquous solutions? I am getting very low yeild on the 3rd step and I am not sure why. I think it may be due to the fact the I combined them when I was not supposed to. Please help. Thank you.
 

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Use tcca then you got 60 porcent yield
 

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Excellent writeup and videos, I’ve had great success with this synthesis, so thank you! It’s cheap too, but does require a LOT of solvent.

If your aldoxime forms pure white crystals, there is no need to do the solvent extraction in stage 1 with all that DCM. You can simply filter off the liquid from the aldoxime crystals on a buchner and wash with water a few times and cold brine once (and perhaps cold ethanol if you are being careful) to remove any excess starting hydroxylamine and NaCl that forms. Only other impurities besides the CO2 that exits could be leftover helional (unlikely with the excess hydroxylamine used), maybe hydrolyzed hydroxylamine if pH gets too high and gem-diols / aldehyde hydration products if there's too much water in the system, but this shouldn't be a problem with the water. Perhaps some polymeric junk if the aldehyde reacts with itself under prolonged exposure to base, but the conditions are mild so this should be rare.

In any case, there is usually no need for all that DCM during stage one if your aldoxime crystallizes, you can just filter it and dry it & move onto the next step, but make sure you dry it somewhat well in a dessicator or vacuum chamber with dessicant as there are potential side rxns that can occur in the next Beckmann rearrangement / xylene step with too much water, but that is unlikely too. Also you can use normal xylenes (mix of the isomers instead of o-xylene) and it works fine if anyone is wondering.

If you are having trouble getting your oxime to crystallize, first add booster doses of hydroxylamine/sodium carbonate (like 4-6g HO-NH + 3-4g Na₂CO₃ for each booster dose or twice that for this scale, I was doing on a 100g helional scale, dissolved in 15-25mL water), then slowly add that booster dose to the RM (over 5-10 minutes) making sure pH is between 8-9 in the RM, stir for another hour or two, and if still no crystals you can do a couple more booster doses. If still no crystals form (which is unlikely with these boosters, it worked for me multiple times after not getting crystals initially) -- then you can concentrate the RM via vacuum distillation to about 1 or 2/3rds the volume and cool again. You should be able to get nice pure white oxime crystals without those liters of DCM.

If anyone needs help with this reaction feel free to message me. As others have said, there are other ways to go about this rxn that may or may not be a bit easier, we can talk about that if anyone's interested. PEACE!

~DB <3
 
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